Posts by the girl next door

18

Do all congregations have to destroy all documents related to cases of Pedophilia?

by opusdei1972 in

i have been reading in facebook that there is a new society's order for destroying all documents concerning cases of pedophilia in all congregations.

is it true that the elders have received such an order?

?

Do all congregations have to destroy all documents related to cases of Pedophilia?

by opusdei1972 in

i have been reading in facebook that there is a new society's order for destroying all documents concerning cases of pedophilia in all congregations.

is it true that the elders have received such an order?

?

the girl next door

Here is the UK document referenced in the video

18

Do all congregations have to destroy all documents related to cases of Pedophilia?

by opusdei1972 in

i have been reading in facebook that there is a new society's order for destroying all documents concerning cases of pedophilia in all congregations.

is it true that the elders have received such an order?

?

Sexual abuse files are handled differently and despite the letters from the BOE specifically in response to the UK Data Protection Act being applied by the ExJW community to sexual abuse cases within the WT, it is not the case.

This was from a related post:

"UK has a data protection law. JW's complied with it.

Since 2000/2001 all congregation judicial records (envelopes) EXCEPT child molestation cases are to be destroyed by the service committee and replaced with a file which lists:

Name of 3 elders on case/date/name of individual/ and reproved or DFD/DA'd in file. No details kept.

Child molestation cases are sent to the branch in its entirety and a separate child protection file is kept by the secretary with basic details of the case. Accessible to ALL elders.

Every year the elders get a reminder to do an audit with the checklist shown. It is the service committee's responsibility to do it. Ongoing child molestation cases are not destroyed but sent to the branch and basic details are kept in the congregation child protection file. Each elder must destroy anything he "inadvertently" kept such as his personal notes from any judicial matter he dealt with."

"UK elders are not specifically required to destroy or keep anything by law.

Any data they keep has to comply to the Data Protection Act about how it is obtained, for what purpose and how long it is kept for. An individual can make an information request at any time to see the data held about them The recent audit letter and the letter posed by WiFiBandit above demonstrate that the WTS is very prescriptive in ensuring the minimum data is kept, for (I repeat) two key reasons:

1 - to prevent elders keeping data that either does not comply with the DPA or data that could be used in a civil case by someone wishing to bring a case against a congregation on the basis of information held about them.

2 - to keep to a minimum data that could be used by the authorities against the organisation.

Point 1 is because elders are often idiots and careless about what they write down and keep hold of.

Point 2 is because the WTS has a persecution complex and imagines they are going to be oppressed at some point.

It's a matter of opinion but asking elders to audit their records against the published benchmarks is...not quite the same as getting them to destroy evidence or cover things up. If they have no legal obligation to hold the data then they cannot be accused of destroying evidence. When it comes to child abuse, the processes are clear about what should be held. This is so some measure of "due diligence" and "duty of care" can be demonstrated rather than adherence to any legal obligation is concerned.

They can, however, be asked to explain how such instructions really tally with an open, transparent and progressive organisation, especially when it comes to child abuse. The instructions can be compared with other organisations to illustrate the predictably huge gap between the WTS' claims of being leaders in child abuse management and the reality of what is best practice in the vast majority of similar organisations."

posted by konceptual99

46

Should doctors tell JW patients that there is disagreement about Watchtower's blood policy.

by Lee Elder in

this has been a controversial issue among doctors and medical ethicists.

i think it basically comes down to the fact that physicians have a responsibility to establish the presence of informed consent.

is it really possible for a person to give informed consent if they are not accurately informed?.

the girl next door

Lee, have you seen and responded to this video? https://www.facebook.com/AlJazeeraAmerica/videos/540230166137331/

10

On the Yearbook's Report(Again)

by Alex Bryant in

hello.

i have a question about the number of publishers reported on the yearbook.

i was wondering if this number refers only to the number of publishers baptized or to the overall number of publisher(baptized & not baptized).

the girl next door

Right. Lots of DFd attend. And they are still baptised JWs.

10

On the Yearbook's Report(Again)

by Alex Bryant in

hello.

i have a question about the number of publishers reported on the yearbook.

i was wondering if this number refers only to the number of publishers baptized or to the overall number of publisher(baptized & not baptized).

the girl next door

Memorial attendance is probably a closer number to actual baptised JWs. Its when the irregular and inactive publishers come to the KH.

57

Reasons for Stagnation in Growth. AKA YearBook Numbers!

by ttdtt in

so why has the growth flatlined?

why is less time spent in the ministry?

why have aux pios droped by 1/3rd?.

the girl next door

Irwin Zalkin(abuse attorney) asked Mario Moreno(Watchtower attorney), "What can we do to change this, so that this doesn't keep happening?" Moreno replied, "We're never changing." Zalkin said, "We'll see about that."

38

Anthony Morris Says The Governing Body Is Not Dogmatic, But Simply Must Be Obeyed If You Want Jehovah's Blessing

by Brokeback Watchtower in

warning lots of compartmentalization going on, with huge leaps in logic and a whole lot of just beleive me because i say so.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhyfm-zikbq.

the girl next door

Could have done without "To Whom Do We Belong" in the background. Nice Nazi Regime overtone to it though.

14

Do Jehovah's Witnesses dedicate themselves to an organization or not? Which one is it?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

anyone that is/was a dedicated jehovah's witness knows that the worship of the ''faithful and discreet slave'' is the only relationship we know.i don't remember having a personal relationship with jehovah without the governing body being in the way.they make all the rules on every matter.anyone who thinks that jehovah has any control on your daily matters is a fool.jehovah's witnesses only answer to an organization!.

"we do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.

no, we dedicate ourselves to the supreme sovereign of the universe, our creator, jehovah god himself.

the girl next door

Nope, salvation can only be had by association with the WT "organization". Its all right there in the NWT of the Bible.

14

Do Jehovah's Witnesses dedicate themselves to an organization or not? Which one is it?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

anyone that is/was a dedicated jehovah's witness knows that the worship of the ''faithful and discreet slave'' is the only relationship we know.i don't remember having a personal relationship with jehovah without the governing body being in the way.they make all the rules on every matter.anyone who thinks that jehovah has any control on your daily matters is a fool.jehovah's witnesses only answer to an organization!.

"we do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.

no, we dedicate ourselves to the supreme sovereign of the universe, our creator, jehovah god himself.

the girl next door

The organizational part was thrown in to deal with massive lawsuits.